FAQ  page

 

PRICES:

The base price on lube varies –check for current prices.  Price will vary slightly depending on if you want it in plastic bags or tubes.  

We also sell lube by the pound if you Pan Lube and we also sell the ‘Big Sticks’ 2x6”

 

I can fit up to 26 bags or 14 tubes in the USPS Flat Rate envelope –Our shipping prices only change with price changes at the USPS.

I can fit up to 100 bags or 70 tubes in the Flat Rate Medium box –check for current USPS pricing

International USPS rates apply for international orders.

I can take paypal at WhiteLabelSales@aol.com or LsStuff@aol.com, or check/MO to:

Glenn Larsen

364 Indian Point Road

Ward AR 72176

 

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You can always email orders to LsStuff.com or  WhiteLabelSales@aol.com or LsStuff@aol.com

 

Just let me know what you need, please put your name and address and what you want all together so I can log it in correctly.

Thanks

Glenn & Leah

 

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Melt Temperatures-

Lube                            working temp                           melt temp

50/50                           room temp                                162F

BAC                            room  temp                               162F

2500                            room temp                                162F

Carnauba Red              100F                                        162F

Commercial 160           105-130F                                165F

Commercial 190           130-155F                                190F

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How to Lube Bullets  FAQ

 

Hello, the stick lube is generally used in a luber-sizer like the Lyman 450, RCBS Lubeamatic, or Star.  I have a Lyman and RCBS lubers which use a hollow stick, the Star uses a solid stick.  These put the lube under pressure and have a sizeing die that sizes the bullet and applies the lube to the grooves.

 

The stick lube can also be applied by hand.  Pull off a pea sized piece and smear into the grooves with a finger.  I do this when trying variations of lube so I won't have to melt the lube out of the lube-sizer and refill for each variation.

Be sure to measure the bullets diameter to make sure they aren't too big.  If they are way oversize it can cause problems. 

Lee makes a nice and inexpensive bullet sizer that screws into your loading press.  The size die screws in the top and an extension/ram goes in the shell holder spot.  Place the lubed bullet on the ram and lower the handle to push the bullet through the sizer.  It has a plastic container to catch the lubed bullets.

 

The stick lube can also be pan lubed.  The bullets are placed base down in a pan(pie tin works great), melt the lube and then pour into the pan until the lube grooves are covered or as high as you want it.  Once the lube is cooled you have to get the lubed bullets out of the lube block.  This can be done a few different ways.  Some people use a cutter to push down over the bullets cutting the bullet out of the block and keeping the lube in the grooves.  A fired case with the base cut off works well.  You may be able to find a (brass, copper or aluminum) tube or the right size.

With our Carnauba Red, I was able to pull the lube block out of the pan and then push the bullets out the bottom.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/

This is an excellent place to go for all things related to cast bullets.

Let me know if there is anything else you need.

Thanks

Glenn Larsen.

 

FAQ-

Q:

Hi Glenn.  Is the price of 50/50, alox2500+, and carnuba red all the same. I am not sure which you gave me a price on. How much shipping for 40 sticks to PA? I may be a few days deciding which I want to buy. Thank you.  B.

A:

Please check on current pricing for lube sticks –The 50/50,BAC,2500+-and the Red are all the same price, the only variable is if they are packaged in tubes or bags. at sales@lsstuff.com  2 s and 2 f,  or check/MO and sometimes cash

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Q:  What Lube should I use?

A:  Well a lot boils down to personal choice.  I always tell people if you have a heater, Glenn uses only the Red—a lot of people like the 2500 and the traditional 50/50 blend

Is a favorite.  We had a lot of requests to mix the 50/50 and the red together so we came up with BAC-(beeswax, Alox, and Carnauba )

For new lubers we do sell a sample pack that has 2 each of each of the lubes at a reduced price so you can try them out.

 

Q:  How does your lube(Carnauba Red) work in 45/70 with bullet speed of 1200fps. I use the Lyman alox and beeswax mix and it's kind of messy to work  with.

 

A: 

I haven't shot the Carnauba Red in a 45-70 rifle yet.  It does work well in low velocity revolver rounds.  I have shot it in my Rossi 357 mag rifle and it worked very well there.

I would imagine that it should work well in a 45-70 rifle.  The Carnauba Red lube is a semi-hard lube and seems to work very well over a wide range of pressure and velocity.  Some of the really hard lubes don't do much with low pressure beside just stay on the bullet.  Mine is still pliable at room temp and seems to form a good gas seal without relying on the high pressure to make it work.

 

If you'd like to try a sample first, just send me back your address and I'll drop some in the mail.

I am making a firmer Alox lube now, Alox 2500+, it shoots about the same as my regular 50-50 lube, but isn't as messy to work with.

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Q: how many bullets can I lube per stick?

A:        Number of Bullets lubed per stick.

4/19/2007           Bullet # per stick   C358-180 RF 1500   45-230 BD 681   45-330 PB 70% 562   454-255-SWC 562   50-360-HB minnie 264

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bullet	# per stick
C358-180 RF	1500
45-230 BD	681
45-330 PB 70%	562
454-255-SWC	562
50-360-HB minnie	264

 

 

Bullet Size & Leading Question

 

Hello and thanks for the interest in our cast bullet lubes.

 

There are several things that can cause leading, which may include:

*Bullet size wrong for the throat and or barrel.  Generally you want the bullet to be the size of the throat or slightly larger, but never smaller than the barrel's groove diameter.  A small dial caliper is a very handy loading tool.  You don't need a $100 caliper, but a $10 unit from Harbor Freight is more useful than you might imagine.  When I first started loading I ruined a S&W 44 mag by shooting as cast bullets that were way too big with powder charges that should have been safe for the weight of the bullet.  Some bullets drop from the mould close enough, but many will need to be sized.  You can get an inexpensive push through sizer fromLEEfor about $15.  If your Barrel is .357", a throat measurement of .3575-.358" would be great and size the bullets to .358"

 

*Throat size wrong for the barrel.  Slug the barrel, throat size should be around .0005" larger than groove diameter.  You can use the dial caliper to get a close measurement of the throat and groove. 

 

*Cylinder timing off so the bullet gets shaved or deformed going from the cylinder's throat to the forcing cone and barrel.

 

Bullet alloy too soft or too hard for the velocity/pressure.  Try different bullet hardness...

 

Lube inefficient for the load/caliber/pressure/velocity...  Try other lubes...

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/ This is an excellent place for all things related to cast bullets.  The people there are generally very friendly and happy to help.

 

Pan Lube Question:  Can I Pan Lube with your lube?

The short answer to your question about Pan Lube  is yes my stick lubes can be used to pan lube.  The Carnauba Red can be a pain to pan lube, but the others should work well.  The soft lubes are easiest, with the 50/50 being the softest-than the BAC then 2500 and red being most difficult, but we do have quite a few people who use it to pan lube.

 

Lube Performance:

Carnauba Red generally works best in high velocity and high pressure loads, but can work well in rounds like the 38 spl.  All of our other lubes, 2500+;BAC; 50-50, should work well for the 38 spl and 357 mag.  All of our stick lubes can be applied by hand.  Pull a small piece from the stick and use a finger to smear into the lube grooves.  This can be a little slow, but will let you load and shoot a few dozen rounds of each lube without too much trouble.

 

If I was working up loads for the 38 and 357, I would try Carnauba Red and 2500+ before anything else.  I have had several shooters tell me that switching to Carnauba Red cured leading in their problem revolvers.

 

Subject: Fwd: Pan lubing lube

 Hi, I'm hoping you can assist me with a question. I cast lead bullets for my .38 spl and my .357mag. I'm currently use Liquid Alox lube (tumble lubing). I'm noticing some leading in my barrel (2" snub nose and a 4" barrel target revolver). A little more than I would expect. I've been casting now for about 6 months, so I'm new to bullet lubing. I'm considering pan lubing my bullets but not sure if this will help eliminate the leading. I visited you website (Nice site). Can your bullet lubes be used to pan lube? That would require me to melt the lube. I don't have or want to invest in a Lubrisizer for stick lubes. If you have a product that I can use, what would you recommend for use with the caliber's that I use (above)?

 

A:  Please see above answer about pan lubes we do sell the lube by the pound if people want it that way.:

Check out How to Pan Lube Cast Bullets - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBDFO0ftCQc

 

 

FAQ  Lube questions

Q:  I’m a new bullet  caster and will be making bullets for my 35 rem,  44 special and 10 mm  auto along with some 32 mag bullets.   Which lube should I be using.  I anticipate using a  Lyman 4500 or Rcbs luber/ sizer  and my velocities will be under 1000 FPS for the 44 and 32 and about 1200 on the 10 mm and 1900 on the 35 Remington.

Thanks for your help. 

 

 

A:  All of our lubes cover a wide range of velocities and pressures, and should work for everything you have listed.  Softer lubes generally work better for lower velocities and pressures, but this can vary from one gun to another.

The old NRA formula (50-50, 50% Beeswax  50% Alox) is a good all purpose lube, but has a tendency to smoke a little.  This generally isn't too much of a problem unless you're at an indoor range or shooting a large number of rounds.  Our 2500+ lube is stiffer than 50-50, doesn't have as much Alox and is a great all purpose lube.

 

Our Carnauba Red and BAC lubes usually don't smoke much if any.  BAC performs very well in semi-auto handgun rounds.  I have switched to C-Red for all of my cast bullets.  I put on a Cowboy Action Shoot at a family reunion and we ran around 1600 38 special rounds through 2 revolvers and a Rossi M92 in one afternoon and the guns needed very little cleaning.

 

I guess I need to wrap this up before it turns into a book.

 

I would suggest that you try our Carnauba Red and BAC lubes.  The C-Red is our only lube that needs a heater to flow in the luber, but only needs to be around 100F.  A light bulb or hair dryer can work if you don't have a regular heater.  I mounted my luber on a long steel plate and sit an old clothes Iron on the plate next to the luber. 

 

Let me know if there is anything you need.

 

Thanks

 

Glenn Larsen

White Label Lube, High performance cast bullet lubes.
www.LsStuff.com/lube

 

 Q:  I shoot hot 45/70 loads and 30/30's. Want to start casting. Can I use 
the 2,700+ for pan dipping?  I want to pan dip and use the Lee sizers 
to size and put on the gas checks.

A:     Any of our lubes can be used for pan lubeing, but the Carnauba Red can be abit of a pain to get the lube block out of the pan after it's cooled.  It sticks to the bullets very well, but also sticks to the pans.  I think if you cut them out when the lube is still warm, it might help.

The other lubes, 2500+, BAC, and 50-50, should be easier to work with. 

 

All of our lubes should work fine in hot 45-70 and 30-30 loads.  I have had several shooters say the 2500+ lube has performed excellent in big bore rifles.  I have used 2500+ and C-Red in my 470 NE and have not had any fouling or leading.

 

 

 

Q:   .I am hoping to use the method where you let the lube in the pan dry and then push them out of the cold lube with a dowel.  Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR86Ji0Wj-o&feature=PlayList&p=C761FBB32EF51CA2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=12

I am wondering what the temperature is that I should not exceed with melting the lube.  I intend buying the 1# bricks.  Using a deep fat fryer seems easier than a double boiler.  Just wondering again what temperature I should not exceed.

A:     . Try to not let the lube get hot enough to smoke.  The hotter the lube gets, the more it will stick to the bullets and pan.  When pouring into sticks, I keep it around 165-170F.  When over 200 F the lube becomes very difficult to remove from the moulds.

I'd start with the temp around 180 F, see how it works and adjust it up or down from there.

 

 

Q:   .Hi. I already know Im gonna order 3 quarts of your liquid alox.  I have 2 luber sizers and want 1 each set up for lower velocity & high velocity basically rifle or pistol, I need your advice on which lube(s) to use.

                                                                                                                            

BAC or 50/50 ?

Calibers 38,357,9,45 acp, 44 mag & spl    velocity 850 to approx 1500 fps

 

Red or White?

Calibers  223,7.62 x 39, 7.62 x 54, 308, 3006, 257 rbts  velocities 2300 to 2800 fps approx

 

thanks & please advise

 

A:     . BAC or 50/50 ?  BAC

Calibers 38,357,9,45 acp, 44 mag & spl    velocity 850 to approx 1500 fps

I think BAC should work very well for your lower velocity and lower pressure rounds.  You could also use it in your rifle rounds up to around 2300 fps.

 

Red or White?  Carnauba Red

Calibers  223,7.62 x 39, 7.62 x 54, 308, 3006, 257 rbts  velocities 2300 to 2800 fps approx

Our Carnauba Red is the only lube I have tried that will hold up to velocities higher than 2500 fps.  The fastest I've pushed it was around 2700 fps in a 30-06.  C-Red will also work great in your high end 357 and 44 mag loads.

 

Our Company name is White Label Lube, so I'm guessing you are referring to our "50-50 "or "2500+" lubes.

Our 2500+ is a great all purpose lube and should do well in all the rounds you have listed, except for the highest velocity rifle loads.

 

 

 Q:  I shoot hot 45/70 loads and 30/30's. Want to start casting. Can I use 
the 2,700+ for pan dipping?  I want to pan dip and use the Lee sizers 
to size and put on the gas checks.

A:     Any of our lubes can be used for pan lubeing, but the Carnauba Red can be abit of a pain to get the lube block out of the pan after it's cooled.  It sticks to the bullets very well, but also sticks to the pans.  I think if you cut them out when the lube is still warm, it might help.

The other lubes, 2500+, BAC, and 50-50, should be easier to work with. 

 

All of our lubes should work fine in hot 45-70 and 30-30 loads.  I have had several shooters say the 2500+ lube has performed excellent in big bore rifles.  I have used 2500+ and C-Red in my 470 NE and have not had any fouling or leading.

 

For Pan Dipping, are you talking about dipping the base of the bullets in a pan of melted lube, then sit on a piece of wax paper to cool?

 

Check out How to Pan Lube Cast Bullets - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBDFO0ftCQc

 

 

 

Q:   .Hi. I already know Im gonna order 3 quarts of your liquid alox.  I have 2 luber sizers and want 1 each set up for lower velocity & high velocity basically rifle or pistol, I need your advice on which lube(s) to use.

 

BAC or 50/50 ?

Calibers 38,357,9,45 acp, 44 mag & spl    velocity 850 to approx 1500 fps

 

Red or White?

Calibers  223,7.62 x 39, 7.62 x 54, 308, 3006, 257 rbts  velocities 2300 to 2800 fps approx

 

thanks & please advise

 

A:     . BAC or 50/50 ?  BAC

Calibers 38,357,9,45 acp, 44 mag & spl    velocity 850 to approx 1500 fps

I think BAC should work very well for your lower velocity and lower pressure rounds.  You could also use it in your rifle rounds up to around 2300 fps.

 

Red or White?  Carnauba Red

Calibers  223,7.62 x 39, 7.62 x 54, 308, 3006, 257 rbts  velocities 2300 to 2800 fps approx

Our Carnauba Red is the only lube I have tried that will hold up to velocities higher than 2500 fps.  The fastest I've pushed it was around 2700 fps in a 30-06.  C-Red will also work great in your high end 357 and 44 mag loads.

 

Our Company name is White Label Lube, so I'm guessing you are referring to our "50-50 "or "2500+" lubes.

Our 2500+ is a great all purpose lube and should do well in all the rounds you have listed, except for the highest velocity rifle loads.

 

 

Q:   I am using a Lyman 45 lubrisizer (no heater).  I'm loading cast 38/357 wadcutters, 30-30 and 30-06 with gas checks.  Which lube would you recommend?   .

 

A:    All of our softer lubes(2500+, BAC, 50-50) are great all purpose lubes that can handle a wide range of pressures and velocities. 

The 50-50 and BAC should handle rifle velocities up to 2200-2300 fps. 

The 2500+ lube has given great performance up to 2500 fps.

Our BAC and 2500+ lubes have been used by shooters to set several new records in Mil-surplus rifle shoots. 

 

 

Q:   Hi, I am looking for a lube that requires no heater   and is good for rifle and pistol up to 2200 to 2600 fps.  You folks have anything like that?  Thanks   Dave.

 

A:   Our 2500+ lube does not need a heater.  It works great in a wide range of pistol rounds, includeing( 38 spl, 357 mag, 44 mag, 454 Casull, 45-70, 475 Linebaugh, and 500 S&W). 

I used a 190gn gas checked bullet in a 30-06 for testing high velocity performance.  The 2500+ lube gave a clean barrel and consistent groups up to just over 2500 fps.  Around 2550 fps, the barrel started to foul and the groups opened up.  Some shooters have said that the 2500+ lube worked great in 444 Marlin and hot 45-70 loads past 2500 fps.  I have used it in my 470 NE with a 500gn gas checked bullet to 2250 fps and a 400gn plain base to 2400 fps without any problems at all.

 

Our Carnauba Red lube is excellent in magnum handgun rounds and I have pushed it to 2700 fps in a 30-06 with no fouling or leading at all.  It does require a little heat(100F).

 

I'm sure you are aware that there are many other factors influencing cast bullet performance, but starting with a quality lube should help you get the performance you want.

 

 

Q:  Hello,  Cast mostly for 44 mag (1200 fps),357 (1200 fps) and 38/55 (1700 fps) rifle and want to get the best lube available without all the high prices. What lube do you recommend for these calibers and need to get some on order. I use the RCBS lube a matic and have heater if needed.  Thanks   Butch.

 

A:    Our Carnauba Red works great in magnum handgun and high velocity rifle loads.  I use it in my 375 Win with a 250gn plain base bullet at around 2000 fps, so it should do well in your 38-55 also. 

Carnauba Red does need a little heat to flow( around 100 F).  Some shooters in warm areas have said they didn't need a heater, but my gun room stays around 65 F all year.

 

 

Q:   Hello, I've been using Rooster Red, but want to try some high velocity stuff

Is your Carnauba Red good for 3000 fps?

 

A:    I personally have only pushed our Carnauba Red to just over 2700 fps with a 190gn gas checked bullet in a 30-06.  The group sizes stayed fairly consistent and the barrel was spotless.  The same test with Rooster HVR, gave a fouled barrel at around 2250 fps, and the group size doubled.

We do offer free samples so you can try it and form your own opinion.

 

Q:  Hi, I just bought some of your lube and can't wait to use it.  How do I get the old lube out of the luber?

 

A:     For switching lubes in the luber, I take all the hardware off and lay the luber body on an old cookie sheet in the oven on about 200F.  All the lube will melt and run out.  You can wipe the exterior down with a shop rag, let cool and reassemble.  When the old lube cools, you can use a paint scraper to peel it off and save for later.

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FAQ

 

Q:        Which lube for 45 Auto?

Hello, I am really sorry for the long wait on a reply from me.  The past month has been a little hectic and I'm still trying to get caught up.  With summer almost over I hope things will settle down abit.

 

A:        Our BAC lube does really well in semi-auto handgun calibers, 9mm, 40 S&W, 10mm, 45 acp...

This lube generally does not smoke and should leave your barrel fairly clean and lead free.  I have not heard of anyone having leading with this lube.

This lube is not as soft as 50-50 and is pliable and slightly tacky at room temp. 

If you can take your time with lubeing and loading it should perform very well for you.

If you are running a high volume of bullets, or your loading room is very warm, you might think about a stiffer lube.

Our Carnauba Red is our only lube that needs heat to flow in a luber(100F).  It is a semi  hard lube that will stay on the bullets even if they are damaged way beyond use.

Carnauba Red is a low to no smoke lube and is 100% Non-Toxic.  This is the lube that I use for all of my cast bullets

 

I would suggest that you get a couple sticks of Carnauba Red and BAC to try them both and see which one works best for you.

 

Thanks

Glenn Larsen

White Label Lube, High performance cast bullet lubes.

e-mail orders to WhiteLabelSales@AOL.com
www.LsStuff.com/lube

 

Q:  In a message dated 3/9/2012 6:50:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,  D writes:

What is the difference between the red and the commercial red?  When I sit down to lube 45s I try to spend a couple weeks doing it and will size/lube upwards of 50k.  On a side note I have been using my casters and lubers for large caliber muzzleloading bullets and am currently using a lube that White Muzzleloading systems developed/bought years ago.  Its quite greasy and a real mess-any ideas for a replacement for that? Thx again.  D

A:  Hi D, thanks for the interest in our cast bullet lubes. 

The Commercial Grade is a little stiffer than the Carnauba Red.  The melt point of both is around 162 F.

They are both really good all purpose lubes for rifle and pistol.  The Commercial Grade is not as tacky when warm and will be better at not pulling out of the lube grooves.  Both of them do well when run at the lowest temp that they will flow at.  I would be very surprised if you had any leading or fouling problems with either of them.

Carnauba Red flows around 100F

Commercial Grade flows between 105-130F 

Thompson's Bore Butter works pretty good.  I'm not a real big fan of SPG.  I used to have a BPCR lube that was wonderful, but I ran out of the wax that I used as the base for it and haven't found a good replacement since.  I am working on getting a good BP lube going, but life is so busy that I'm not really sure when it will be done.  Are you looking for a stick lube for production of muzzle loader bullets? 

Thanks

Glenn.